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militants. we'll be hon touring this throughout the hour and bring you any new developments as they happen. before poroshenko begins speaking, we want to get insight into this. let's check in with national security correspondent jim sciutto. nice to see all house members and senate members together mingling and greeting mr. poroshenko. >> this was a big moment. it was a few weeks ago poroshenko was elected democratically in ukraine. he's a western-leaning ukrainian. he wants ukraine closer to the eu, closer to nato and standing up for russia. i was there for the election and this was not an easy one. in eastern ukraine you had pro-russian separatists disrupting the vote, burning down polling stations. ukrainians voted. they chose a man like poroshenko and they know what poroshenko wants. he wants a closer relationship with the u.s., a closer relationship with europe. he's fighting a war on his territory right now. he calls it a russian invasion.
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his troops were doing well against russia's forces until a couple weeks ago, pro-russian sen tifts until russia sent in russian forces, artillery units and so on and helped push them back. this is a country in a precarious situation now and he's coming for help. he wants more lethal military aid, not the body armor and mreas the u.s. has been sending the this point. he wants tougher sungss against russia. it's the view of ukrainian officials that the sanctions by europe and the u.s. have been too weak and too slow. they want real penalties to change russia's behavior. will he get that here? it doesn't seem likely. the administration seems satisfied with its policies so far, but i think you can hear, carol, you will hear in this pitch to congress an appeal for stronger aid, more robust aid. >> explain this to me. it wasn't so long ago that
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president obama stood before the world and said, we support you, ukraine, we will do whatever it takes to help you defeat these pro-russian rebels. now poroshenko is going to ask for aid and he's probably not going to get much? >> not to the degree they want it. this will be the difference between the public message and private message. carol, when you speak to ukrainian officials privately, they're clearly not satisfied. they have reason. they have reason to be concerned. there are russian troops on eastern ukrainian territory right now. those russian troops are making a difference. as i was saying ukrainian forces were pushing back the separatists. russia sent in more forces, real units, artillery units, not just secret guys out of uniform. they sent full military units into eastern ukraine and helped push the ukrainians back. so the ukrainian president has an argument to make here. it's the view of some administration officials, the administration, that further
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u.s. military aid will make the situation worse. they will antagonize russia. they're still looking for a way out. they place hope in the cease-fire that is currently under way in eastern ukraine which, when you speak to ukrainians, they don't place quite as much hope in that cease-fire as some u.s. officials are. >> jim sciutto, i'll step away from this hearing. although it appears president poroshenko might be speaking rather soon. when he begins speaking, we'll come back to you and come back to this joint meeting of congress and take it for our audience live. thank you, jim sciutto. have to talk about the fight against isis at the moment though. president obama's strategy to arm moderate syrian rebels gets the green light from lawmakers in the house. the big question now, will the president's plan get a stamp of approval from the senate? in the meantime the white house is hammering down the message of no boots on the ground. secretary of state john kerry and defense secretary chuck hagel prepare for another day of
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scrutiny on capitol hill. already a house intelligence hearing on isis is under way. you're looking at live pictures of that. lawmakers are expected to discuss the danger isis and other groups pose to the international community. let's talk about that with former ambassador nicholas burns. good morning, sir. >> good morning, carol. >> thanks for being with me. i want to talk about these moderate syrian rebels. the house has already voted to fund the training of these syrian rebels. the senate is going to consider that today. should the senate vote to do the same, you think? >> well, i would certainly hope so. what the president is trying to do here is to stop isis by having both an iraq and syria strategy. we won't be able to destroy isis which is the president's words, to feed isis, unless we strike at their base of support in syria. that's why the president has put forth this plan to arm moderate rebel groups and train them, to build them up as legitimate
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force opposed to isis. so i think you've got to have a strategy that encompasses both of these countries because isis, of course, is present in both countries. i think the administration will take some heart from the house vote yesterday. >> here is the thing. when you talk to lawmakers about supporting these moderate rebels in syria, they say, well, we've got to do something. we might as well do this. that concerns me. does it concern you? >> i think there's no question that this is a little bit of a gamble by the united states, but i think a gamble worth taking. the idea that an entire plan would be comprised of air strikes by the united states and our allies, building up the peshmerga forces in iraq, but also having syria a part of this, it does make strategic sense. there are risks associated with this. it's certainly prefable to what some of the administration's critics are saying, and that is
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we should put substantial american forces, combat forces on the ground. i think the president is right to resist that. we have to have a more limited strategy, especially what we just experienced from 2003 to 2011 with substantial american forces in iraq. >> i want you to listen to something secretary of state john kerry said yesterday about resources and capabilities when it comes to the fight against isis. >>ive also have no doubt whatsoever, we will have the capabilities and resources we need to succeed militarily. president obama made clear we will be expanding the military campaign to take on isil in iraq, in syria, wherever it is found. but this is not the gulf war in 1991. it is not the iraq war in 2003, and that's true for a number of reasons. >> okay. that's true for a number of reasons. what would hose reasons be in
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your mind? >> well, i think primary among them is both in the gulf war in 1991 and the iraq war in 2003 till 2008 we had a substantial american combat ground presence on the ground. the president is resisting that, has said he won't contemplate that. the president is trying to deploy a different strategy. could we build up a coalition where the ground forces are arab ground force, iraqi ground forces and moderate syrians and where the peshmerga from iraqi kurdistan will play a major role? that's a very different strategy than either president bush, george h.w. bush deployed in '91 and george w. bush deployed in 2003. that's the primary one. second, the administration is clearly saying our coalition partners have to do more. i think there's frustration with turkey, that turkey won't stand up and commit to more concrete assistance and frustration with qatar. a lot will depend, carol, on whether the administration can
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get substantial european support from nato members in air strikes and also from saudi arabia, the united arab emirates and kuwait. those countries need to do a lot more than they've done in the past. i think the president is saying the united states can't bear the weight of this on its own shoulders. it needs help. i think the administration will leverage some of those other countries to get that help. >> nicholas burns, thanks for your insight as usual. i appreciate it. >> thank you. one of the reasons to take on isis is because of the group's cash flow. in addition to being one of the most dangerous terror groups, it's also one of the richest. in addition to selling crude oil, bank robberies, kidnapping and smuggling help finance the group. listen to what secretary of state john kerry told lawmakers on capitol hill. >> we've been able to trace a one-time lump sum, $140,000 that came through one country from an individual in the region.
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that's why we're going to have this immediate focus on the movement of money and begin to really get tough in shutting down that flow. >> let's talk about that with cnn business correspondent alison kosik. how difficult will that be to find out where the money is going? >> there is some idea where the money is at least coming from. that's really the trick here. the bigger issue is to stop the flow of money to isis. some of the focus at least from the treasury department is to focus on these international funders, some of the private donors. the u.s. has frozen assets of some supporters in kuwait believed to be funding isis. you make a good point in the beginning of what you said. it's interesting that isis is one of the richest terror groups ever. >> $3 million a day they bring in. >> yes, it's incredible. last year isis reportedly brought in $8 million a month.
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a month. that was just last year. things have certainly revved up for this territory group. this is why you hear these comparisons being made that isis is operating like the mafia, they use these techniques, kidnap, rob, steal, intimidate. >> sell women into sexual slavery, right? >> exactly. that's part of it as well. another big bulk where the money is coming from is in these oil fields. they take over territory and sell this oil at lower prices, so it's cheaper and they sell it to neighboring countries. this is also where isis is getting its money. >> it makes you wonder who is thinking of these things on isis' behalf, who the money men are and whether we can take them out. >> it does make you wonder. i don't think you're dealing with sane people though. >> but if you can target the money men -- i'm sure they're working on that. >> that certainly is the trick. >> alison kosik, thanks so much. let's head to pennsylvania where there are fear as
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suspected cop killer may strike again during the funeral of one of the troops he's accused of gunning down. state trooper corp ral bryan dixon was shot down on friday. this is outside the cathedral, you can see a heavy police presence not only to remember him but protect the funeral from this suspected killer. the suspect, eric matthew frein is still on the run. his father says he's part of the high school's rifle club and when he shoots, quote, he doesn't miss. rosa florez live. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. as you can see, a somber moment in this community. hundreds of state troopers you see in these live pictures of this procession of course preparing for the funeral of corporal bryan dixon. this has been happening probably for about the last hour, this community remembering and
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honoring that state trooper. you see a lot of police presence there. we learned that they do have heavy security because, as you know, these investigators do not forget that the suspect here, eric frein, made one thing very clear, and that is he has a grudge against law enforcement and that he is thirsty for mass murder. now, you see a lot of police presence there. but that doesn't mean that the investigation stops. that continues with new details and new twists. >> he is still considered arm and dangerous. >> reporter: new details are emerging as the man hunt continues for eric matthew frein, the suspected cop killer on the run in rural pennsylvania. police are painting a picture of frein as a self-trained survivalist who harbors a long-standing hatred towards law enforcement. authorities say frein belongs to a military simulation group
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where members assume the role of cold war era soldiers from eastern european countries. >> in his frent frame of mind, frein appears to have assumed that role in real life. >> reporter: investigators say frein on the run since friday night recently changed his hair style in preparation for the shootings of corporal bryan dixon and trooper alex douglas. he now wears it shaved on both sides and long on top, wider that a mohawk. >> in the event you're listening to this broadcast on a portable radio while cowering in some cool, damp hiding place, i want you to know one thing, eric, we are coming for you. >> reporter: hundreds of officers have joined the search. frein's family told investigators two guns are missing from the home including an ak-47. >> we have a suspect in this case who is antigovernment. he is a hunter, he is a woods man and he is alleged to be a survival iftd. that is a deadly cocktail.
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local schools are closed and frein's face is on flyers all over town as a community lives in fear. >> especially when closing the store, i make sure i have my weapon with me. now i have it on a little more often. >> people are uneasy. they want to know are my kids going to be safe. >> reporter: carol, this morning in the local papers you see that new picture released of eric frein. but on the inside you also see a lot of respect and honor for their fallen hero. carol? >> all right. rosa florez reporting like for us this morning. thank you so much. let's head back to washington, d.c. to that joint meeting of congress where the ukrainian president has now entered the room. he did. and he's shaking hands as he approaches the podium where he's goings to address this joint meeting of congress and possibly ask -- i know he's going to ask
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for more aid for his country. our national correspondent jim sciutto is following the story. good morning, jim. >> good morning, carol. the ukrainian billionaire made his money in chocolate, democratically elected a few weeks ago, re. i think we can expect that sentiment to come through in the joint session of congress today. >> okay. let's listen. [ applause ] . [ applause ]
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. he's certainly getting a warm reception, jim sciutto. as soon as the lawmakers sit, he'll begin speaking. how do you suppose he'll phrase his request for aid? >> i think he will thank the u.s. for support so far. any more formal pushing for something more i think might happen more in private. this is a special moment for him, a joint session. it is a real sign of support. trust me, carol, russia is watching this. russia will consider this to some degree directed at them. they saw the my done protest that helped remove the pro-russian predecessor, viktor yanukovych. they saw that as instigated by the west. at least they made that public accusation in propaganda. they'll be watching this as well. >> all right. let's listen.
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mr. speaker, majority leader, members of the house, members of the senate, ladies and gentlemen, it's impossible to imagine what i am feeling right now. how symbolic is the unity of united states congress and solidarity with ukraine. [ cheers and applause ] >> this is exactly what ukraine now needs the most, unity and solidarity, not only with the
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united states congress, not only with the united states, but with the whole world. let me thank you for your warmth and hospitality. addressing both houses of the congress is one of the highest political privileges. standing here, i'm grateful and fully aware that this only goes not to me, but to the people of ukraine, those brave men and women who are today on the forefront of the global fight for democracy. [ applause ]
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>> 45 of ukrainian people now watching this speech and this session of the congress and seeing they're absolutely sure about our solidarity and our joint and common strength. please allow me to speak on their behalf. i will focus on the one thing that is at the core of ukraine existence today, freedom. there are moments in history when the freedom is more than just a political concept. at those moments freedom becomes the ultimate choice which define who you are as a person or as a nation. ukraine has lived this moment over the last ten months and became a scene for the most
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heroic story of the last decade, a sin no, ma'am for sacrifice, dedication, unbreakable will to live free. the people of ukraine stood up to the corrupt regime of yanukovych. they stood their ground during this dramatic winter. more of you were together with us during the last winter and i thank you for this, very important for us, gesture of solidarity. [ applause ] the defendants of freedom were willing to sacrifice their life for the sake of better future. what is even more amazing they and we want, armed with only sticks and shield, they attacked by the special police and chase them away. the victory gained on the
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independence square in kiev known now to the whole world as the very international word of the my done, was a victory against police brutality by the state controlled media, violence, intimidation. there is nothing more impressive than seeing hundreds of thousands of peaceful people forcing out a violent dictator and changing the course of history, second time in our history. day after day, week after week, month after month, thousands upon thousands streamed into the streets of kiev simply because their dignity didn't allow them to remain passive and silent while their liberty were at stake. the standoff on the maidon lasted a long three months. it culminated on february 20th
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and 21st when over 100 protesters in one day were shot by snipers. we call them heavenly hundred. we revere them as a true national hero and we applaud their heroism. [ applause ] dear ladies and gentlemen, in february when the world saw no one could take away ukraine's freedom, an external aggressor decided to take away part of ukrainian territory, the annexation of crimea became one of the most cynical acts of treason in the modern history. >> we'll step away from president poroshenko's address to this joint meeting of congress and bring in our national security correspondent jim sciutto.
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he got a warm reception. his remarks seem to be strike ag cord with lawmakers. >> for sure. very emotional remarks, very emotional thanks, talking about the symbolism of the unity and solidarity that the u.s. has shown with ukraine, both in its support for the protests that help remove the predecessor and what led to his own election and also since then in standing up to lush yeah. he had another line that brought a great deal of applause from the joint session of congress saying there's one thing at the core of ukraine's existence, that is freedom. this is quite a platform for the ukrainian president. he know this is is a great honor. he's acknowledging that and also acknowledging american support to this point. you'll remember that during those maidan protests which brought down the previous government of viktor yanukovych, you had u.s. officials going out into the square in kiev, feeding them food, calling out russia
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when there were accusations that russian snipers were shooting and killing some of the protesters. so this is a chance not just for president president poroshenko to come and ask for additional aid, but to express thanks and gratitude to the u.s., members of congress, to the administration for their support so far. this has been a difficult year for this country. it's torn by protests. it brought down a government and now by a war on its soil in the middle of europe. it's a difficult time, and he's taken this chance to thank the u.s. for its support. >> jim sciutto, many thanks to you. i have to take a break. we'll be back with much more in the "newsroom."
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in the wake of felony child abuse charges, nfl star adrian peterson has been deactivated by the minnesota vikings and dropped by high profile sponsors. this morning he's getting strong support from someone close to him, his mother, bonita, jackson. speaking publicly for the first time she says in quote, when you whip those you love, it's not about abuse, it's about love. you want to make them understand they did wrong, end quote. she said peterson was using the same discipline he received as a child, noting she and his father were big disciplinaries and trying to prepare their children for the real world. another controversy,
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jonathan dwyer, backup running back for the arizona cardinals finds himself deactivated in the wake of allegations of domestic violence. cnn correspondent nischelle turner joins me with more on that. >> it's not groundhog's day. with everything going on in the nfl and the spotlight squarely on player conducted and domestic violence, seemingly the last thing we thought was we would wake up this morning and see yet another player arrested for violence against women. >> it's dwyer, he's in. >> reporter: jonathan dwyer, a running back for the arizona cardinals is the sixth nfl player making headlines for alleged abuse in the past few days. dwyer arrested at the cardinals training facility yesterday and making his first court appearance overnight, this all stemming with a slew of alleged abuse beginning in late july including one count of aggravated assault against a
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27-year-old female causing a fracture and another involving his 18-month-old child. >> he has been interviewed by our detectives. he has admitted involvement in the incidents, however, has denied allegations of physical assault. >> reporter: police say during one incident he threw a shoe at the 18-month-old, then tossed the cell phone of the female victim out a window, preventing her from calling police. the cardinals say they have taken the immediate step to deactivate jonathan from all team activities. >> jonathan dwyer who had the touchdown -- >> reporter: half a dozen nfl players across the country are now facing domestic violence charges. >> there's no rule book for, this guys. >> reporter: wednesday carolina panthers' greg hardy took a voluntary leave of absence after being convicted on domestic violence. in may, authorities say he choked his then girlfriend, dragged her by her hair into a tub and threatened to kill her.
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the panthers star asked for a new trial. >> we made a mistake and we need to get this right. >> reporter: the minnesota vikings deactivating running back adrian peterson facing a child abuse charge, retracting from an earlier decision to keep him in the game after sponsors voiced their outrage. many of peterson's teammates say he should stay on the field. >> growing up, that was nothing. my mom, she always whipped me up and things like that. in my culture, that's how i was raised. that's how my mom raised her kids. like i said, look at me now. i'm in the nfl. >> this is the argument we've continuously heard, and by many of the nfl players and also people in support of adrian peterson. yesterday we heard from some of his teammates who either were huss tantd to talk or backed adrian peterson fully. carol, i talked to some former players and also current players in the 1/2 and i asked them why is it so hard for you to take a
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stand, nfl players against these type of situations? they said these are just topics they're not used to talking about, hard for them to talk about, and no one wants to look like they're turning against their teammate. >> they know their teammate. i understand that. they know their teammate in a certain way, nice guy, we get along, a great teammate, a great player. now we find out these other things about him. it's such a shock to the system that you don't quite -- my advice to them is to not talk at all. >> there you go. >> thanks, nischelle. we'll be right back. nto the plant which generously lowered its price and tipped off the house which used all that energy to stay warm through the storm. chipmunk: there's a bad storm comin! narrator: the internet of everything is changing how energy works. is your network ready?"
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an historic day in scotland. we're just hours away from finding out if the country will vote to separate from the united kingdom. a record number of scots, more than 4 million registered to vote in this referendum. for the first time, voting privileges extended to 16 and 17-year-olds living in scotland. the nearly 300-year union between scotland and england and wales is on the line. the polls close officially at 5:00 p.m. eastern time. a number of high profile celebrities are weighing in on today's vote. as you might expect, their views on the potential split are just as varied as the stars themselves. a number of celebrities are voicing their opinions on the referendum, many spiel to be against scottish independence.
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including rocker mick jagger. soccer star david beckham, actresses helena bonham carter and dayne judy dench and "dr. who" actor, david tenant. harry potter author j.k. rowling said on her website, quote, my hess tans at embracing independence has nothing to do with lack of belief in scotland's remarkable people or its achievements. the simple truth is that scotland is subject to the same 21st century pressures as the rest of the world. there are many other stars in favor of scotland breaking away, including designer vivian westwood. >> i'm very lucky to be here with these beautiful people. >> actor russell brand, gerard butler. one of the most outspoken has been sean connery. he told british magazine earlier this year, quote, there is no
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more creative an act than creating a new nation. a yes vote in september will capture the attention of the world. >> let's head to scotland and bring in nic robertson. i see lots of people behind you, nic. >> reporter: yes, it's been busy, still busy, busier than this polling station has ever been in any previous election. it gives you an idea that people are totally engaged in this debate. as much as the celebrities are giving us their opinions, people here have been discussing them in the past several weeks. you get the sense perhaps people going in here now, really ready to make that decision. some of them made it some time ago, but ready now to get it over with, make the vote and see which way it comes out, carol. >> it's like split right down the middle i know. british made its case to scotland to not do this. did it go over with some people you think? >> reporter: you know, for some
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people -- look at the yes campaign led by alex salmon, the head of the scottish national party. he described the reaction of david cameron, nick clegg, the prime minister as disarray. he tried to play on that to show that they weren't really ready to deal with this. they came up with a plan that would give scotland greater powers over taxation, greater powers over its economy, health service, those sorts of things if there was a no vote. that would start tomorrow they said, there's a real sense here among some people that, look, if london -- if the politicians in london, david cameron and the others, only realized in the past week or so that they had a problem in scotland, that there might be a yes vote, that was an indication that the politicians in london were out of touch with scotland, their finger wasn't on the pulse and that's the point that the nationalists, the
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australian police say they foiled a gruesome terrorist plot by isis supporters. the suspects planned to target a random citizen, behead them in public and drape a black isis flag over their bodies. so far two people have been charged in the grisly plan, dozens other served warrants. cnn international correspondent ivan watson has more. >> reporter: pre dawn raids across australia's largest city. authorities calling it the country's biggest ever anti terror operation, armed with dozens of search warns, australian security forces detained at least 15 suspects. the australian media reporting disturbing details. the suspects allegedly planned to film the public beheading of a random individual and then drape the body in the black flag of isis. >> it is of serious concern that
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right at the heart of our communities we have people planning to conduct random attacks. today we've worked together to make sure that that didn't happen. we have, in fact, disrupted that particular attack. >> am hong the suspects detained, a man named omar john ozari who appeared briefly in a sydney court charged with a terrorism-related offense. he didn't enter a plea. his neighbors shocked a suspected terrorist lived next door. >> i never thought i would see anything like this. >> it's actually quite frightening. my heart is pounding. >> reporter: prime minister tony abbott says he believes 60 australians are fighting alongside isis and other militant groups in the middle east. he's repeatedly voiced fears these australian jihadis could pose a threat if they ever come home. australian intelligence revealed isis was urging home-grown sympathizers to carry out attacks in australia.
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>> quite direct exultations were coming from an australian who is apparently quite senior in isil to networks of support back in australia to conduct demonstration killings here in this country. >> reporter: last week australia raised its threat level to high for the first time in the country's history, warning a terrorist attack is likely. ivan watson, cnn, hong kong. >> let's talk more about this with cnn terror analyst paul crook shank. welcome, paul. what's the method behind isis' madness here? >> they're trying to spread maximum terror here, get their supporters in australia to spread maximum terror. particularly gratuitous, the details we're hearing about. kind of a tit for tat. we heard australians are deploying troops to the region, possibly to engage in a combat
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role in iraq. isis is encouraging supporters in australia to launch a preemptive attack over there. >> does isis in any way think this will stop the united states and other western countries from battling it in syria and iraq? >> i think it's trying to demonstrate to its supporters around the world it's fighting back. that energizes its supporters and gets them more recruits, carol. >> the current strategy that president obama outlined and the senate probably will vote today to arm these moderate syrian rebels, is that the right tack? >> it's going to be very, very difficult because that's moderate rebels are a very weakened force right now. they're on life support in aleppo, planning to train about 5,000 of these people in saudi arabia. they're not going to deploy them for at least six months. not clear there will be much of a moderate opposition left in syria by the time this training takes place, carol. >> as lawmakers say, is that better than nothing, to arm these moderate syrian rebels? >> clearly they've got to try
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something in syria. but there are no good options there. some of the europeans are even calling for there to be cooperation with the assad regime. they feel a real high threat in europe right now, carol? >> paul crook shank, thanks for your insight as always. still to come in the "newsroom," they're known as the islamic state, but should they be? france says no. actually france has come up with a new name for isis. we'll tell you what it is and why they refuse to say isis or isil anymore. did you know auctioneers make bad grocery store clerks? that'll be $23.50. now .75, 23.75, hold 'em. hey now do i hear 23.75? 24! hey 24 dollar, 24 and a quarter, quarter, now half, 24 and a half and .75! 25! now a quarter, hey 26 and a quarter, do you wanna pay now, you wanna do it, 25 and a quarter- -sold to the man in the khaki jacket! geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. he gets a ready for you alert the second his room is ready. when sales rep steve hatfield books at,
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france is done with the label isis or isil or that group that's worse than al qaeda. according to "the washington post," france is ditching the label "isis" and will now call isis a name the group despises. are you ready for it? dash cut throats. isis so hates that label dash, it will cut the tongue of anyone who uses the acronym. u.s. officials label the group isil and often follow isil with the most horrible adjectives they can come up with. >> for a whole philosophy or idea or cult, whatever you want to call it that frankly comes out of the stone age vm they're
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cold blooded killers, more rauding across the middle east making a mockery of a peaceful religion. that's precisely why we're building a coalition to try to stop them from denying the women and the girls and the people of iraq the very few tour that they yearn for. >> to talk more about this acronym, ben wedeman, cnn senior international correspondent. crystal wright, editor at conservative black and maria cardona is a democratic strategist. >> i know you speak arabic, what does daush mean? >> it comes from the islamic state in iraq and greater syria. but the -- of course, isis changed its name simply to the islamic state, and certainly we do know they don't like to be called daush. it doesn't really mean anything
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in arabic, although it is close to the arabic word das which means to basically stomp upon or trample. it's a very colloquial word that rolls off the tongue. lots of jokes have been made among arabs who are not supporters or admirers of daush or isis. therefore, they want to be sort of addressed in a respectful manner, but certainly among many arabs, they just don't have respect for them and, therefore, when they do hear that word daush, they become upset and they tend to punish all those who use the term. carol? >> interesting. just to clarify, france has given an interesting reason for abandoning the term isis, they say isis blurs the line and say daesh is a better word. are there similar calls to call
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isis something different in other countries, ben? >> there's been talk of calling it the islamic state group, simply to reduce it to something less than the level of a state. many critics say it is neither islamic, certainly true, and it really doesn't constitute a state because nobody recognizes it even though they have been successful to a certain extent setting up an administration in the areas that it rules. but certainly to call it the islamic state does sort of fly in the face of reality. >> crystal, i must say, and i'm surprised i'm saying it, i like the way the french think on this one. what do you say? >> i give the french an a plus plus on this. as ben pointed out, the fact that we can offend this group of terrorists and cold blooded killers is a good thing. i think the last time i counted we've had three or four
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iterations for a group that is in no way representative of muslims and islamists all over the world. soy think we should follow the french lead. i can't believe i'm saying this, carol. i wouldn't always say this. we should follow the french lead and we need to stop giving them legitimacy. they're not a state. as the french foreign minister said, they are a terrorist group. even british prime minister david cameron said the same thing. let's stop calling them a state. stop giving them legitimacy. let's call them the ruthless killers that they are. >> maria, your thoughts? >> i couldn't agree more actually. hooray for the french on this one. i think we should follow their lead. look, public image is huge for a group like these terrorists. so something like this i think clearly is going to hurt their public image, and we should be calling them by what they are.
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and, in fact, at the very beginning when everybody was calling them isis, i had a problem with that because it defamed one of the most isis egyptian goddesses. but we should look at what the reality is, and the reality is they are neither islamic and they're not a state. so let's think about something like kafir which means ungodly in arabic and it could be an acronym of cal fate army of fools, idiots and rots or chum which is cowardly, ungodly murderers. >> got it. >> let's call them by what they are, not what they aspire to but will never be, carol. >> i got to leave it there. thanks to all of you. it is one of the hazards of flying. a fellow passenger who does not respect your space or bears way too much. here is cnn's jeanne moos. >> reporter: passengers prepare
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for shaming, especially if you're not in the up right position and your feed are on the tray table. >> yikes. >> it's so beyond yikes. >> former flight attendant shawn kathleen created facebook page passenger shaming showing photos of passengers behaving badly, leaving dirty diapers in seat pockets and going shirtless. how far we've flown from the elegant old days. instead of pearls, check out the altitude of these shorts. >> it's getting worse by the minute. >> her personal pet peeve? >> socks stay on. >> except they don't. sure it's funny when john danny does it in a movie -- >> my dogs are barking today. that feels better. >> reporter: who wants to let barking dogs lie when they intrude from another row? we recommend you keep your feet covered an hands exposed. how grossest to see a guy
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sleeping with his hands shoved down his -- avert your eyes. shawn kathleen has seen passengers do worse. >> he caught his hair on fire in the lavatory while he was smoking crack. >> reporter: sort of makes chewed gum left in the safety cart seem kuwait. whatever you do, do not get nailed using clippers. why don't you skip the inflight manicure. no one wants to see you caring for your feet at 30,000 feet. >> there was a gentleman treating his warts with compound w. yeah, that happened. >> reporter: shawn kathleen quit her flight attendant job a year ago to see a nurse practitioner. she'll see plenty of nicked men in nursing, but somehow looking at this -- >> i can't. >> reporter: seems worse, a passenger using a pillowcase to cover his eyes while uncovering the rest. ♪ come fly with me
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>> reporter: sure, let's fly. don't leave behind your boxers, dentures, your toe nail or your wig. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> i think i'll skip brunch. thanks for joining me today, i'm carol costello. "at this hour" with berman and michaela starts now. australia police stop a major terrorist plot. they say isis supporters planned to target a random citizen, behead him or her in public and drape a isis flag over the headless body. decision day in scotland, will there be a messy divorce if voters decide to leave the united kingdom or will there be reconciliation. he's conquered the stage and screen dressed as a man and woman. now coming after your computer. neal patrick harris, changing art, changing technology and best of all


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